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  2. Thanks for answer. I missing something though, or doing something wrong: Options -> Configuration -> Highlight groups... Can not find "Highlight groups" in Configuration. For the asian, more exactly chinese in the filename. I am on latest windows 10, 20H2. NDN, v3.00.0005f/ENG, 64-bit.
  3. what build of NDN do you use? say OS and versions
  4. Options -> Configuration -> Highlight groups...
  5. Hi again. One more thing. Asian "letters" comes up as questionsmarks, "?". Possible to fix, or have I missed another setting somewhere? BR/Cocoz
  6. Hi. I wonder which Group and Item is for font color for files in the panels. I have tested a lot, but it is always the dark blue. If you load from the "Load Palette", for example blue, the files is not visiable. Dark blue on dark blue is then a problem. BR/Cocoz
  7. any news about the users account? so i can receive notifications via email and even reply by email... thanks JClu
  8. ... forgot to mentions the reasons why "ext. column" are expected : 1. visual sorting (separating names & exts 2. soring by clicking the column's header 3. editing only exts when modifying file's name 4. view/hide of the column becomes possible (mostly if remove from the name field) to gain on small screen real-estate 5. all exts aligned (and i mean the same for other cols like type, stats & co mentionned in prev. post. thanks again JClu
  9. Hi, I hope everything is going well for you as the year, sowly but surely, comes to its end. It's about time i come reporting some of my experiences, findings, ideas after lots of testing on ndn : 1. ascii TUI : like with most the TUI based apps, ndn does not display well everywhere. Thus, on those *odd* environments, it would be great to get a decently viewable interface and, for that purpose, the use of plain ascii characters would be a solution (equivalent to the "-a" cli option of mc). Extending even further the idea, with a touch of customizability, would be to let the user select the set of characters used to display each part of the interface. It would be available via menu selector such as the ones for selecting the colors palettes. As an illustration one can have a look at the next case (about drawing boxes and lines in the editor) with the displaid result and a (possible among others) way to store it in a (text) configuration file. 2. lines in the editor : just like for the TUI, not every characters displays well on all terminals (depending on available fonts|charsets...). So we can imagine a possibility to have alternate sets of characters (LS=LineSet, to distinguish from CS=CharSet)to accomplish the same job. The LS could even be set related specific CS so that, when switching the display from CS to CS, we'd have the lines drawn with the corresponding (predefined) LS for a better user's visual experience. Here is an example of what could be (visually) expected with CS=ascii. Follows an example of possible config file to express the LS for this case (hopefully understandable). +-------------+ | | +----+ +--|-+ | | < | | | | | |\ | | | +-----+ +-+--+ \ | | | | | | / \ | +-|-----------+ | / +-o--+ | | | | +-v--+ | | | +==========|==+ | | | | | | # | | # | | | +----+ +----+ | # | +----+ # | # | # +==+ +--#--+ # # # # +====#========+ # # +==+ {ascii} [SL] (H,V,TL,TR,BL,BR)=(-,|,+,+,+,+) [DL] (H,V,TL,TR,BL,BR)=(=,#,+,+,+,+) [CL] (C,H,V,OL,OR)=(+,-,|,\,/) [CA] (L,R,U,D)=(<,>,^,v) {/ascii} I also added an example for connectors, to draw (oriented, because "why not?") lines connecting boxes with their corresponding sections CL and CA in the ascii config. + This could be too much work to handle and I was only priding the user's perspective on the subject. And, as so, seen from the user's POV, this (points 1. and 2.) would increase ndn usability when accessed on remote machines and not much time and options are available to adjust all things for optimal display. 3. I also met a bug while testing UI and editor : as I wanted to copy/paste the entire display into a file via the editor. These are the steps : 1. 'shift + select-with-mouse' the ndn (or other TUI screen on one terminal (to copy to clipboard) and then 2. 'shift + Insert' in ndn's editor, open on another terminal (to paste the content of the clipboard). 3. at that point ndn start doing lots of things, pasting some, switching ndn's windows,... till it, sometimes exits. I did not see it display an error but rather behave weirdly. my guess is that it was interpreting the pasted content as commands to be executed and not as text to be pasted... (a bit the problems i knew in the past between ftp in ascii and in binary...kinda) (I know the 'Screen grabber Shift-Alt-Ins' function (pasting with 'Ctrl-V'), which works... for captures within ndn only) 4. in view/edit : F8 cycles codepage withing DOS, KOI, WIN... what about addin something UTF8 related? making probably the content more portable on modern setups. and making it easy to convert between charsets, either within view/edit or from file panels in batchs 5. use case to see difference between screenshots (SS) 'active window' and 'full screen'? in my case, setting ndn's terminal as a "floating window" above others in the background both type of SS deliver the same file content corresponding to what one would expect from SS of 'active window'. In which case are they not the same? BTW: files are saved as BMP. Could we have PNG too (or instead) since its more efficient for SS? further : casting a movie into GIF/or alt as in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIF#Animation_formats. -- the following points are distinct from above and in the category of suggestions|request for added features|evolution -- so they might seem, from a developper's POV, to go too far but, again, they express how a user (like me) would feel -- confortable using ndn (all others features kept as they are). 6. Lynx (text web-browser) mode navigation : this (ergonomicaly optimal) mode of navigation brings the required finger movements to a minimum in order to browse around the FS by only using the 4 direction keys (Left, Right, Up, Down) with : Up, Down : behaving the usual way, moving within current dir Up and Down the files; Left : goes Up the dir tree (maybe not if the cli is being used) Right: gets into a dir if the cursor is currently on one. If not we can have customizable possibilities (view file being my prefered -safe- default): open|view|edit|... current file goto CLI contxtual menu .... and, BTW, such key set has less chances (when well selected) to break on different terminal types (even on remote connections). 7. further on the keyboard/menus/dialogs usage : 1. getting as close as possible to the association 1key-1action (as opposed to many 3keycombo-1action in the menus): if it's the case with many actions initiated with F1-F12 not much for the rest. But how? ... there are a few possibilities i think about : 1. less predifined keys/keycombos so the key space is not alreadu occupied and in that case have well thought 1key selectors predifined 2. give the possibillity to the users to set their own preferred extended key config and, again, maybe like for the 'colors palettes' provide a library of such extended configs ultimately giving the users the responsability of the setup the most suited to theis specific usage. 3. another way is the one adopted by vim/emacs : the 'modes'. Users may change ndn current mode via a keycombo (a bit like in ndn's editor between text and line drawing). Being more explicit : for the filemanagers, from the browsing mode : 1. wether lynx or not way or navigating, you could keep using F1-F12 as usual 2. when typing text, you's start a quick incremental (regex?) search|filter within current dir + by search i mean "bring the cursor to 1st matching item of current dir" + by filter i mean "only display matching items of current dir in the current panel" + a 1st ESC (or any other predefined 1key) breaks the operation but keeps the panel as is. + a 2nd ESC, in the case of filtering, would rediplay all items (not just filtered ones) + while in this quick-search|filter mode: + moving up/down would move the cursor within the matching space without leaving search mode so that more letters can be typed to fine tune the search string + Alt+down/up could access a search history/library and now up/down would move within the open search history/library 3. a predefined (ESC again?) 1key would make the CLI visible (hidden until now) and from now on : + moving up/down would move the cursor in the current filemanager's panel without leaving CLI mode so that more letters can be typed to fine tune the command string being input + Alt+down/up could access a CLI history/library (a bit like 'Alt+F8' now, just integrated) and now up/down would move within the open CLI history/library 4. a predefined (certainly not ESC again) 1key switching/cycling between display modes : from panels fullscreen (no {menu,Fx-bar, CLI, drives-bar, to user's screen, all bars... 5. I'm going to speak of 'copy F5' but it will become obvious that i will be refering to the whole set of commands that relaize an certain (set) of operation on (a|selected) file|s : 0. 'copy F5' opens a dialog box, which is the same as 'rename/move F6' and that is good. 1. the title of that dialog box would gain in being identical to its calling menu label explicitly 'copy F5' not just 'copy' (maybe customizable) so (new) users can learn their keyboard more easily same for 'rename/move F6' box, and (almost) all the box from 'File menu' (archive, split/comb, ...) 2. in the 'copy F5' dialog box, when "[ ] Remove source files" is set then the title of the dialog box should follow the change and become 'rename/move F6' and the subsequent dialog/bars sould follow the same 'format' so the users won't have any doubts, in the middle of the operation(s), about what is being done. Actually, going further, most te dialog boxes could be factored into one so users can get more familiar with the common features of the functions : that are all the caracteristics of the copy|move with little specificities: compress|archive (into next panel or new filename), convert/encrypt/hash(create-check...) so, even instead of just "[ ] Remove source files" we could have, eg., a set of tabs/buttons to select from to change the type of dialogbox while in the box. Thus while in copybox, selecting (click of kbd) movetab would change boxtitle AND do "[x] Remove source files"... reversly when in movebox and sel. copyTAB but also copy|movebox then arcTAB... And even further 'make/read file list Alt+L/W' can also join the party here... and i've more to say about them. same reasoning for the different other functions of ndn : editor/viewer calendar/alarms/phonebook... ... but it's becoming long for a 1st list on this topic alone so better leave for another time, if interested. BTW : i distinguished history from libraries in that the history results form past uses of some feature when the library if a custom made list of uses of that feature it would be efficient to be editable in-place (and saved) not requiring to add more tools to the set. 8. missing 'extension(|(MIME)type) column' though there is 'sort by extension', which is good/necessary and can even be extended to type instead of extension to fellow mc's idea of using the values returned by linux's "file" command or a regex on the file(name|path). further : user defined (set of) columns based on returned values of, eg., some shell script/s. eg. : media duration (using ffprobe) text/docs file stats (wc, antiword, pdftotext, elinks -dump...) pix stats (size,nb colors...exif) bin/executable (launcher, author...deps ldd) 9. more on columns : once set columns width, the remaining panel's with will be used repeating the column set... is there a way to not repeat the columns and even to strech|shrink {last|1st|selected} column|s so the set fits the panel width mostly needed when changing panel|terminal size... 10. custom functions per file type : there would be a default set of options applicable to all files... by default and for those typedsthat are configured otherwise, one could see + Enter/open using ndn's current oening method or asking for permissions/env.vars/sandboxing or just running some addon launcher app/script... the openers + F5/F6 using ndn's copy/move with predefined options or call macros (if available internal language feature for that) or external apps/scripts and passing them files, selections, and other relevant/needed data... the copier/movers + similarily with F3/F4 using ndn's view/edit with predefined ... viewers/editors + packing/converting... could all be extended the same way ... packers and more (senders like for email, publish web, SMS..., monitors like logs, news..., trackers/killers/ressurectors like servers, jobs...) +++ and (users' made) libraries of such extensions could be made available in a repo (like github) as an example : 7zip can handle many archives formats and be used to extend greatly ndn's features without adding to its size. 11. idem for custom VFS : email, web, structured file content, net-protocoles/streams which also implies custom columns and content refresh functions Thank you for keeping with me until here... hope there was anything useful in all i put in here. I'd be please to see some ofthe ideas implemented as they would improve ndn's usability/siplicity (from a common user's perspective,that is) JClu
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  11. New Release: V3.00.0005

    NDN in DOS works with external mouse driver prevously installed. Wheel is detected if the driver is cutemouse, see https://sourceforge.net/projects/cutemouse/files/ The mouse settings can be changed in the menu: Options-> Configuration-> Mouse...
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    hI ! Great Job !!!! BTW: how to enable mouse fuction with NDN ? It's possible ?
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    Если опубликовать исходники и поставить с гитхаба ссылку сюда как на форум поддержки - глядишь и люди подтянутся :) +100500 :) И конечно радует что разработка на гитхабе и ветка обсуждения на LOR двинулась вперед :)
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    Oh my god, it really was 20 years ago! I was young and I was DN user! Кажется, в тысячу раз больше людей использует сейчас линуховую консоль. А удобств в ней никаких: редакторы отстой, mc неудобен. Странно, почему оно всё так. Попробовал сейчас ndn -- а он на удивление неплох!
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    Hello Everyone! I participated in DN OSP development 20 years ago by any means I could at the moment (I made a big chunk of helpfiles, intense alpha-version testing, and feature proposals:). I'm thrilled to see that there is a new wave of development on this project. But I also truly believe that publishing NDN sources on GitHub is the way to go if we want DN as a project to grow. Taking into account that NDN made the biggest progress in supporting modern standards and features. Is there any possibility to publish the sources?
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    Тут вся проблема в том, что следить за форумом попросту некому. Давно тут не было такого наплыва.
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    Hi, GPFault! I, as author of dn2l that you mentioned above, strongly support your suggestions. To make stable and growing developers community, sources distribution terms and patches acceptance process should be public and absolutely clear, desirable using some platform that is popular among developers, like github or gitlab. We, programmers, are usually introverts, and it can be embarrassing for us to contact someone and ask for sources or ask permission to publish modified version of them. It's all much more complicated than just hitting the “fork” button or submitting a pull request on github, and these difficulties filter out 95% of potential contributors in the early stages. I would also like to express my admiration for the NDN team who were the first to be able to make a fully cross-platform version of DN, which in itself proved that it was possible in principle and motivated me to a great extent. Regards, unxed. PS: For the forum admin: no confirmation letter is sent to mail.ru mailbox. Requested it twice, checked spam folder also.
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    Hi. I'm back to this forum after 13 (!) years of inactivity. I'm not a DN user anymore (due to becoming a linux user, and ndn on linux wasn't stable 13 years ago), however, I still think that DN UI is tuned better then any other file manager, so I'm still inetersted in the "NDN on Linux" future. Recently I found information about somebody investing thier time into porting DN variant called DNOSP to linux - https://www.linux.org.ru/news/opensource/15971481 (text is in russian) The project link is https://www.linux.org.ru/news/opensource/15971481 The project developer said that he treated NDN as closed source-project. But technically, I think NDN has more mature linux support that the project I linked above, and it's a pity that human developer resources related to Dos Navigator was spent to less advanced variant (DNOSP) instead of more advanced NDN. As far as I know 13 years ago the source code was available to "anybody who really want to edit & contribute". I asked for it, ans Stefan provides me the archive (I've lost it many years ago). In modern days, such semi-private code development sometimes leads to waste of human resources (due to work on another variant as a I pointed above). Do nowdays ndn developers have any objections to publishing the entire source code? Are there any formal licencing issues? If the only thing that stops you from publising sources are technical - the lack of time or "dont want to investigate how to create git history" etc - I'd be glad to help in publishing it. For example: you choose the public hosting platform (gitlab, github, sourceforge or choose any other) send me the sources of several versions as archives and I create organization account on the hosting platform convert the archives to git history, publish sources on that hosting, and add your account on the platform as an administrator of that project. My actual e-mail is galkin.vv@remove.anti.spam.org@yandex.ru (English or Russian).
  19. OK, after conflicting with myself i prefer to include this (should be self explanatory): (i thought the image was insert at text position... well just attached) JClu, thanks
  20. Hello Garl, as for ruuning ndn on TCL... well that's my only OS for about 2 years so yes else i would have not been able to perform the previous tests. here the screen ib text mode (easier for copy/paste an lighter : [20201025 7 07:53:56]{tc@bsrv:/mnt/sda2/data/Downloads/-- ndn/ndn_lin/nightly_l64} $ uname -a Linux bsrv 4.19.10-tinycore64 #1999 SMP Tue Dec 18 15:18:54 UTC 2018 x86_64 GNU/Linux [] $ # did you make sure you're running ndn65 on tcl64? [] $ ./ndn Messagebox(): /mnt/sda2/data/Downloads/-- ndn/ndn_lin/nightly_l64/lib/locale.so: cannot open shared object file: No su Necromancer's Dos Navigator v3.00.0005f/LINUX64. Based on Dos Navigator by Ritlabs... [DEFINES/CPUX64/LINUX/FREEPASCAL] * Linux (v4.19) detected * TTY: /dev/tty18 (rxvt) * Process ID = 7407 ... * PCRE Version 8.44 2020-02-12 * Berkeley (BSD) socket API for Unix/Linux When running binaries on wrong platform the binary type gets wrongly identified as shell script by default by the shell itself (since it will accept the fact it is executable). but we both know it is not so... leading to failure of execution. Thus use the binaries you gave me (ndn64) on a 64bits version of tcl and, unless some libs are missing it should start smoothly. the way i proceed later if missing libs is : ask the bin what is missing : $ ldd ndn statically linked but since you compile ndn with all its dependencies that should be no worries. if after that you make it display things nicely and get rid of the locale msg ... that will be huge thank you JClu
  21. Hi Garl, Yes! now it really gets usable to switch "drives" with 'alt+F1' or 'alt+F1' (though 'alt+left' and 'alt+right' are not responding the expected way : there's a 'dir change history' popup showing current dir but nothing changes) or even usingthe mouse : Thank you! As for the lines drawing, the way i see it, the ball is on my side and i got to figure out how to handle all I/O on terminals solving any key (combinations) inputs and charsets display problems. If i want to tinycore(TCL)? if you are already using a distro and are happy with it...keep using it! It's not to prevent you to come to the dark side but rather to make sure you put your energy into ndn rather than disco Now, before you put your mind into it i'm going to tell the + and - i see in it (my experience/opinion) : i've got acquainted with slackware when in its v2 (about 20 floppies to install!) ...fast-forward After tasting live linux in the form of demolinux (made @ PVI university along side DNX demo on a floppy) a soon later puppylinux... i could not go back installing distros anymore. Knoppix and many other came : HUGE! FFward again to nowadays and only a few distros respect the meaning of the word lightweight for x86_64 archi in decreasing size of main branch of the general purpose distro : GRML (<300+~700+MB), slax|porteus (<300MB), puppy (<200MB), alpine (<150MB), slitaz (<60MB), tinycore (<20MB) there are some specialized distros out there that could join : in VoIP astlinux (a semi-live distro with asterisk <100MB) now, why did i end up with tcl? the "+" size (easy/fast boot on haedware and in qemu(run in tcl :-)), extensions (thus the problem of the 'loop devices') like the modules from slax = "live (un-)mount the whole app pkg", and their repo has most i need (bbox, tmux, mc, elinks...) the "-" well since the community isn't big, you can find yourself on your own when trying to solve problems that are too specific : i asked to have LXC pkg (and kernel ready) available back in version 3+... not done yet in 11.1 i like its poweroff backup(persistence), and sleep2ram is easy... but hibernation isn't there (of course own scripts and...) maybe you'd like slitaz and it's web configuration+pakg managmt but its persistence system is not as efficient as in tcl the others... their weigth (though alpine musl nased adds security, a rich pkg base...) well, so the choice depends much on : you goal, your current skills and the resources available (time&money included). however, thank you for mentionning it as it really shows how dedicated you are as a dev. as for ndn i've known it when its grand-pa dn prior to v1.51 was coming out of Rit-labs(and their email cli:-) so, seing it under linux (even with its too fast tetris) touchde me with nostalgia (no sudoku yet?) i have a lot of suggestions but prefer to focus in having it running correctly so i can use it instead of mc (to many script configured to drop it easily). thank you again, as soon as i get it correctly running i report here with the findings (or if i meet some unexpected roadblock) JClu
  22. New Release: V3.00.0005

    2020-10-22 (v3.00.0005) new: new FilePanel O - show file Owner (WinNT+,Linux) new: new FilePanel L - show file Links number (Win) new: optionally add ".." item in main folders new: Tab hotkey switch to next Window in ChangeDrive new: AsciiTab shows video and internal font for compare (Dos) new: optionally shows sort mode indicator in FilePanel new: added option directories first in SortBy menu new: "align extension if folders" and "Show [] around directories" options added to SetupColumns new: possible make copy data in Dialogs and Ctrl-Alt-Shift-BackSpc hotkey & UndoView to undo all changes new: Alt-/Ctrl-Space hotkeys reverses-bits/(de)selects all items in focused CheckBoxes fix: search file in panel (Alt-F7) was corrected new: Num-/Num+ can also de/selects directories new: optionally current item number & items count shown on bottom of the menu new: Tab/Shift-Tab goes to the next/previous menu without expanding the submenu new: Backspace in menu returns to the default item new: optionally natural sorting in panel: alphabetical and numerical new: user defined file size formatting added fix: corected some bugs in hash calculation new: toggle manager size to half/full screen, option to menu added (Ctrl-Alt-F hotkey) new: new screen savers "Other worm" and "Gravity" (last only for Dos) new: great pac-man game clone new: possible scrollbar in menus new: "Gray" button in vga palette edit dialog new: after Ctrl-Alt-F11 you can set extended video text mode selected from list in ndn.vid file (only in Dos) new: cool scrollbarx made by Sergey in file panel fix: paste long strings from clipboard optimized for speed by 1 million percent fix: Viewer: textmode hide selection if "Persistent blocks" off fix: Viewer: block do not reset while scroll by Ctrl-Keys new: new Scrollbar in Editor and Viewer fix: Show "Free space on border" and "Filter for filenames" if DriveLine is OFF new: Filepanel: Options to disable show selected files and size fix: online update works with NDN website new: optionally show current cluster on bottom dialog frame fix: sometimes you couldn't change the language after Alt-F12 and you had to press Alt-X new: change Ruller mode (dec\hex) by mouse Right button DoubleClick new: binary file comparer fix: copy/paste from clipboard was fixed (U64 version) fix: now you can change the color from the extended palette in ChangeColors new: Undo button in ChangeColors fix: End of line characters removed from dump screen after crash fix: ScrollBar(X) show true position for larges values fix: goto dirs inside .TRD files new: inside archivers Ctrl-K toggle show path new: Branch in archives (Ctrl-H) fix: Panel filter now work in archive's find result fix: drawing using VGA palette in Linux64 if option in SystemSetup enabled http://ndn.muxe.com/download/
  23. Options->configurations->intreface ->drive info -> [x] Hide Pseudo FS http://ndn.muxe.com/download/file/nightly_l64.zip p.s. i'll try use TinyCore
  24. Really? with the same version you provided me with? Wow! Well, I guess I'll have to deal with the terminal conf though i even put lxterminal, locales in UTF8 and some inernatl fonts... -sigh- gotta dig deeper i guess. not easy with limited time, age and skills :-) but were would the fun be? it the reason why i chose TinyCore : to have the bare minimum and DIY + enjoy the CPU spare from the bloat of other distros (ubu* being just another wdoz) thank you for giving it the possibility to blossom in linux, plus you give me a nice alternative to my current only choices : mc for TUI and dcmd on GUI (BTW, dcmd is also devd in Pascal and russian... is it a coincidence? :-) JClu PS: what the mention inconvenience i mentionned earlier : about the letters assigned to ALL mount points? I mean, to avoid the loop devices, unless explicitly asked. possible? cpacibo. dobri dien.
  25. ascii art with single and double lines work fine for me
  26. 1. indeed, no 'locale.so', but do you have to redo it everytime? I mean, specially in the case of nightly versions, did anything change in ndn that impacted it so the one from previous version could not do the job? here are the relevant msgs displaid as it started : =========================================================== $ ./ndn Messagebox(): /mnt/sda2/data/Downloads/-- ndn/ndn_lin/nightly_l64/lib/locale.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Messagebox(): /mnt/sda2/data/Downloads/-- ndn/ndn_lin/nightly_l64/lib/locale.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Necromancer's Dos Navigator v3.00.0005f/LINUX64. Based on Dos Navigator by Ritlabs... [DEFINES/CPUX64/LINUX/FREEPASCAL] * Linux (v4.19) detected * TTY: /dev/tty41 (rxvt) * Process ID = 10997 ... * PCRE Version 8.44 2020-02-12 * Berkeley (BSD) socket API for Unix/Linux =========================================================== 2. I'm pleased to see no spinner... it really distracted me but could be useful if it were used as a kind of "reliable" indicator of th progress of long background tasks. by reliable i meant, it should reflect the actual progress of the pending operations then (long transfers, compressions...) but in that case a numerical "%" or scaled progressbar would be more approriate since a spinner has rather become associated with stalled operations. But I admit... it's a personal opinion :-) 3. no more freezing on either edition(F4) or viewing'F" of a variety of file... good job. 4. a little bug, or so i believe. I'd love the drawing lines with the editor... new file (shift+F4) + name+Enter switch to line drawing by pressing F4 once then : i can draw left and right : 'shift+directions' for movements with the pen-down (drawing) 'directions' for movements with the pen-up (just moving) this doesn't work for directions up or down (with or without shift) ((ohj, and there feature only provides single line drawing, while it used to also draw double line (by pressing twice F4 from within the normal typing mode 5. since there is no debug mode, AFAIK, areyou interested in strace's logs that i could provide? meawhile i'll keep testig and ... Thank You:
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